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PatrickSwayze
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:42AM
Member since 05.06.2006
“imagination limitation”
Nightclubs are hell. What's cool or fun about a thumping, sweaty dungeon full of posing idiots?

I went to a fashionable London nightclub on Saturday. Not the sort of sentence I get to write very often, because I enjoy nightclubs less than I enjoy eating wool. But a glamorous friend of mine was there to "do a PA", and she'd invited me and some curious friends along because we wanted to see precisely what "doing a PA" consists of. Turns out doing a public appearance largely entails sitting around drinking free champagne and generally just "being there".

Obviously, at 36, I was more than a decade older than almost everyone else, and subsequently may as well have been smeared head to toe with pus. People regarded me with a combination of pity and disgust. To complete the circuit, I spent the night wearing the expression of a man waking up to Christmas in a prison cell.

"I'm too old to enjoy this," I thought. And then remembered I've always felt this way about clubs. And I mean all clubs - from the cheesiest downmarket sickbucket to the coolest cutting-edge hark-at-us poncehole. I hated them when I was 19 and I hate them today. I just don't have to pretend any more.

I'm convinced no one actually likes clubs. It's a conspiracy. We've been told they're cool and fun; that only "saddoes" dislike them. And no one in our pathetic little pre-apocalyptic timebubble wants to be labelled "sad" - it's like being officially declared worthless by the state. So we muster a grin and go out on the town in our millions.

Clubs are despicable. Cramped, overpriced furnaces with sticky walls and the latest idiot theme tunes thumping through the humid air so loud you can't hold a conversation, just bellow inanities at megaphone-level. And since the smoking ban, the masking aroma of cigarette smoke has been replaced by the overbearing stench of crotch sweat and hair wax.

Clubs are such insufferable dungeons of misery, the inmates have to take mood-altering substances to make their ordeal seem halfway tolerable. This leads them to believe they "enjoy" clubbing. They don't. No one does. They just enjoy drugs.

Drugs render location meaningless. Neck enough ketamine and you could have the best night of your life squatting in a shed rolling corks across the floor. And no one's going to search you on the way in. Why bother with clubs?

"Because you might get a shag," is the usual response. Really? If that's the only way you can find a partner - preening and jigging about like a desperate animal - you shouldn't be attempting to breed in the first place. What's your next trick? Inventing fire? People like you are going to spin civilisation into reverse. You're a moron, and so is that haircut you're trying to impress. Any offspring you eventually blast out should be drowned in a pan before they can do any harm. Or open any more nightclubs.

Even if you somehow avoid reproducing, isn't it a lot of hard work for very little reward? Seven hours hopping about in a hellish, reverberating bunker in exchange for sharing 64 febrile, panting pelvic thrusts with someone who'll snore and dribble into your pillow till 11 o'clock in the morning, before waking up beside you with their hair in a mess, blinking like a dizzy cat and smelling vaguely like a ham baguette? Really, why bother? Why not just stay at home punching yourself in the face? Invite a few friends round and make a night of it. It'll be more fun than a club.

Anyway, back to Saturday night, and apart from the age gap, two other things stuck me. Firstly, everyone had clearly spent far too long perfecting their appearance. I used to feel intimidated by people like this; now I see them as walking insecurity beacons, slaves to the perceived judgment of others, trapped within a self- perpetuating circle of crushing status anxiety. I'd still secretly like to be them, of course, but at least these days I can temporarily erect a veneer of defensive, sneering superiority. I've progressed that far.

The second thing that struck me was frightening. They were all photographing themselves. In fact, that's all they seemed to be doing. Standing around in expensive clothes, snapping away with phones and cameras. One pose after another, as though they needed to prove their own existence, right there, in the moment. Crucially, this seemed to be the reason they were there in the first place. There was very little dancing. Just pouting and flashbulbs.

Surely this is a new development. Clubs have always been vapid and awful and boring and blah - but I can't remember clubbers documenting their every moment before. Not to this demented extent. It's not enough to pretend you're having fun in the club any more - you've got to pretend you're having fun in your Flickr gallery, and your friends' Flickr galleries. An unending exhibition in which a million terrified, try-too-hard imbeciles attempt to out-cool each other.

Mind you, since in about 20 years' time these same people will be standing waist-deep in skeletons, in an arid post-nuclear wasteland, clubbing each other to death in a fight for the last remaining glass of water, perhaps they're wise to enjoy these carefree moments while they last. Even if they're only pretending.


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monkeyhanger
(no longer a member)
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:46AM
Class...
ajwhite7
England
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:49AM
Member since 28.04.2003
“By any means necessary.”
Ha that's class and so true about the photographing thing. Some people I know do this and then get straight on facebook as soon as they get in, gobshites!
157
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:53AM
Member since 28.03.2003
“BICH PWS BRF TNF Rest In Peace”
I am Charlie Brooker.
PatrickSwayze
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:55AM
Member since 05.06.2006
“imagination limitation”
i think that would be me.i f*****g hate clubs and im a dj!
frutiger
London
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:57AM
Member since 29.10.2003
“www.lineageofinfluence.wordpress.com”
I'd like to see Charlie Brooker be the next mayor of London.
streak
England
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:03PM
Member since 02.03.2006
“"time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.."”
QUOTE:
... They were all photographing themselves. In fact, that's all they seemed to be doing. Standing around in expensive clothes, snapping away with phones and cameras. ...


Imagine that.. taking photo's of what you're wearing to show everyone on some website.. :bubble:
dommyracer
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:13PM
Member since 28.04.2003
“pfffff”
Its funny, but a bit sweeping. There's lots of clubs I've hated, but quite a few I've liked.

and although I have been involved in having my photo taken in a club I'm not there just for that.

I know the type of place he's talking about though - 'celeb hangout' springs to mind.
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DASLER
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:20PM
QUOTE:
i think that would be me.i f*****g hate clubs and im a dj!


Yup!!! I detest clubs. Unless I am somehow able to see a playlist to my exact liking before i go, I know there's a 99% chance I will be moaning about how s**t it is.
PatrickSwayze
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:25PM
Member since 05.06.2006
“imagination limitation”
QUOTE:
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i think that would be me.i f*****g hate clubs and im a dj!
Yup!!! I detest clubs. Unless I am somehow able to see a playlist to my exact liking before i go, I know there's a 99% chance I will be moaning about how s**t it is.


i hate people , but i like repetitive electronic music and drugs

whats a man to do?
johnnysmith1500
Aberdeenshire
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:31PM
Member since 27.03.2005
“You still fly kites daily.”
I can't remember the last time I went to a club.
Must be at least 6 months ago and was probably only a jazz night or something.

Clubs are s**t but they're getting worse.
frutiger
London
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:38PM
Member since 29.10.2003
“www.lineageofinfluence.wordpress.com”
QUOTE:
I can't remember the last time I went to a club.


The last time I was in a 'club' was Black Monday at Cargo. Apart from that it's been about 8 years.

I. F*****g. Hate. Clubs.
tattooedsuperfly
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:40PM
Member since 16.03.2005
“Think Happy thoughts”
QUOTE:
i hate people , but i like repetitive electronic music and drugs

whats a man to do?


Put head phones on,neck drugs,watch porn ...works for me
WackAttack
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 12:59PM
Member since 31.03.2006
Charlie Brooker is a genius.
weazil
Turks and Caicos Islands
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:04PM
Member since 25.04.2003
“Run up on yo spot like CJ from san Andreas”
Charlie Brooker is one of the few reasons to pay a TV license.

His rant about Jeremy Kyle is f*****g legendary.
NTM
Saf-am-10
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:16PM
Member since 12.01.2007
“So mercifully free of the pressures of grace”
Spot on

Only time I enjoyed clubbing was a regular Monday Hip Hop & House night in the mid 80's, because the club was half empty, I went with a good group of mates, the drinks were cheap, there was a good sprinkling of the uber cool girls and the desperate girls and I had the snobbish feeling that I was part of something that most plebs weren't yet aware of.

But since work has f****d up my hearing, I find it near on impossible to hear people speaking in clubs and actually in most pubs too these days. It all blends into one background noise, but on the plus side, my lip reading has improved.
NTM
Saf-am-10
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:21PM
Member since 12.01.2007
“So mercifully free of the pressures of grace”
apologies if posted before, but Charlie Brooker on Apple Mac's...



Unless you have been walking around with your eyes closed, and your head encased in a block of concrete, with a blindfold tied round it, in the dark - unless you have been doing that, you surely can't have failed to notice the current Apple Macintosh campaign starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, which has taken over magazines, newspapers and the internet in a series of brutal coordinated attacks aimed at causing massive loss of resistance. While I don't have anything against shameless promotion per se (after all, within these very brackets I'm promoting my own BBC4 show, which starts tonight at 10pm), there is something infuriating about this particular blitz. In the ads, Webb plays a Mac while Mitchell adopts the mantle of a PC. We know this because they say so right at the start of the ad.

"Hello, I'm a Mac," says Webb.

"And I'm a PC," adds Mitchell.

They then perform a small comic vignette aimed at highlighting the differences between the two computers. So in one, the PC has a "nasty virus" that makes him sneeze like a plague victim; in another, he keeps freezing up and having to reboot. This is a subtle way of saying PCs are unreliable. Mitchell, incidentally, is wearing a nerdy, conservative suit throughout, while Webb is dressed in laid-back contemporary casual wear. This is a subtle way of saying Macs are cool.

The ads are adapted from a near-identical American campaign - the only difference is the use of Mitchell and Webb. They are a logical choice in one sense (everyone likes them), but a curious choice in another, since they are best known for the television series Peep Show - probably the best sitcom of the past five years - in which Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur. So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign.

I hate Macs. I have always hated Macs. I hate people who use Macs. I even hate people who don't use Macs but sometimes wish they did. Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.

PCs are the ramshackle computers of the people. You can build your own from scratch, then customise it into oblivion. Sometimes you have to slap it to make it work properly, just like the Tardis (Doctor Who, incidentally, would definitely use a PC). PCs have charm; Macs ooze pretension. When I sit down to use a Mac, the first thing I think is, "I hate Macs", and then I think, "Why has this rubbish aspirational ornament only got one mouse button?" Losing that second mouse button feels like losing a limb. If the ads were really honest, Webb would be standing there with one arm, struggling to open a packet of peanuts while Mitchell effortlessly tore his apart with both hands. But then, if the ads were really honest, Webb would be dressed in unbelievably po-faced avant-garde clothing with a gigantic glowing apple on his back. And instead of conducting a proper conversation, he would be repeatedly congratulating himself for looking so cool, and banging on about how he was going to use his new laptop to write a novel, without ever getting round to doing it, like a mediocre idiot.

Cue 10 years of nasal bleating from Mac-likers who profess to like Macs not because they are fashionable, but because "they are just better". Mac owners often sneer that kind of defence back at you when you mock their silly, posturing contraptions, because in doing so, you have inadvertently put your finger on the dark fear haunting their feeble, quivering soul - that in some sense, they are a superficial semi-person assembled from packaging; an infinitely sad, second-rate replicant who doesn't really know what they are doing here, but feels vaguely significant and creative each time they gaze at their sleek designer machine. And the more deftly constructed and wittily argued their defence, the more terrified and wounded they secretly are.

Aside from crowing about sartorial differences, the adverts also make a big deal about PCs being associated with "work stuff" (Boo! Offices! Boo!), as opposed to Macs, which are apparently better at "fun stuff". How insecure is that? And how inaccurate? Better at "fun stuff", my a**e. The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. For proof, stroll into any decent games shop and cast your eye over the exhaustive range of cutting-edge computer games available exclusively for the PC, then compare that with the sort of rubbish you get on the Mac. Myst, the most pompous and boring videogame of all time, a plodding, dismal "adventure" in which you wandered around solving tedious puzzles in a rubbish magic kingdom apparently modelled on pretentious album covers, originated on the Mac in 1993. That same year, the first shoot-'em-up game, Doom, was released on the PC. This tells you all you will ever need to know about the Mac's relationship with "fun".

Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. Of course, that hasn't stopped me slagging off Mac owners, with a series of sweeping generalisations, for the past 900 words, but that is what the ads do to PCs. Besides, that's what we PC owners are like - unreliable, idiosyncratic and gleefully unfair. And if you'll excuse me now, I feel an unexpected crash coming.

This week: Charlie watched some episodes of Larry Sanders (on his PC). He played the customised Fawlty Towers map for Counterstrike (on his PC). He listened to the Windows startup jingle every 10 minutes as his PC repeatedly rebooted itself.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/charlie_brooker/
paulg104
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:22PM
Member since 20.08.2003
“I am a wizard with star shaped chinese weaponry”
QUOTE:
QUOTE:
i hate people , but i like repetitive electronic music and drugs

whats a man to do?
Put head phones on,neck drugs,watch porn ...works for me


Yep,i tend to find the best thing about going out is going home these days
PatrickSwayze
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:31PM
Member since 05.06.2006
“imagination limitation”
going home is when i normally run into trouble though!
paulg104
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 01:49PM
Member since 20.08.2003
“I am a wizard with star shaped chinese weaponry”
QUOTE:
going home is when i normally run into trouble though!


It's when the real fun begins though:coke::bubble:
Plissken
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 02:30PM
Member since 19.07.2005
“Will never give custom to a store that does 'pre-buys'!”
His 'celeb friend' doing the PA was probably that Aisleyne (sp?) bird from Big Brother last year.

No idea how he became mates with her.

His Glasto article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2110488,00.html

"That's Glastonbury: a cross between a medieval refugee camp and a recently detonated circus"
willis
Chile
Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 05:34PM
Member since 12.06.2003
“Jack Has a New Pisshole Behind His Balls...”
QUOTE:
His 'celeb friend' doing the PA was probably that Aisleyne (sp?) bird from Big Brother last year.

No idea how he became mates with her.

His Glasto article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2110488,00.html

"That's Glastonbury: a cross between a medieval refugee camp and a recently detonated circus"


he used her for his screen burn program - she did a segment on BB for him! they probably went to one of those SUPER c***y west end R&B clubs. She is a massive cold-sore so it figures!
gawkrodger
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 05:50PM
Member since 04.07.2006
“Clothes for sale - Paul Smith, Garbstore, APC, etc”
coincidently enough, i read this earlier, along with his hilarious screenburn on the great new Richard Dawkins series

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/columnists/story/0,,2145124,00.html

QUOTE:
Welcome to a dangerous new era - the Unlightenment - in which centuries of rational thought are overturned by idiots. Superstitious idiots. They're everywhere - reading horoscopes, buying homeopathic remedies, consulting psychics, babbling about "chakras" and "healing energies", praying to imaginary gods, and rejecting science in favour of soft-headed bunkum. But instead of slapping these people round the face till they behave like adults, we encourage them. We've got to respect their beliefs, apparently.

Well I don't. "Spirituality" is what cretins have in place of imagination. If you've ever described yourself as "quite spiritual", do civilisation a favour and punch yourself in the throat until you're incapable of speaking aloud ever again. Why should your outmoded codswallop be treated with anything other than the contemptuous mockery it deserves?
LY_
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 07:00PM
Member since 03.10.2006
“Crooked Tongues - Online Resource”
The best clubs I went to were kind of half full, medium capacity clubs with non of that dress-code b/s
I've been to clubs where I've had to queue 3 hrs to get in, then queue another 1/2 for the cloakroom, another 1/2 hr for the toilet and then 1 hr to get a drink. Then you can't move cos you're squashed in like sardines. The best dj/music I've heard in my life could be playing and I'd still have a s*** night.
subliminal
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Posted @ 14.08.2007 - 11:43PM
Member since 12.05.2007
“***account deleated******”
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now I see them as walking insecurity beacons, slaves to the perceived judgment of others, trapped within a self- perpetuating circle of crushing status anxiety


quality. so spot on.
revs_boi
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Posted @ 15.08.2007 - 12:15AM
Member since 15.04.2006
“Crooked Tongues - Online Resource”
yeah the whole clubbing thing can be a stressful experience.

I'm more suited to an old man pub these days.
escolhido
Heard Islnds and Mcdonald Islds
Posted @ 15.08.2007 - 02:56AM
Member since 24.02.2005
“ 4 8 15 16 23 42”
theres only one or two clubs i enjoy these days.

i just refuse to go anywhere else unless its for a band i like or an artist i want to see.

even then its in and out. it's strange how for young people going to these places has seemingly become a staple thing. none of my friends like it but to be fair... what else is there to do ? f**k all. i feel pushed out of the house many nights because i cant face staying in watching mind numbing spirit crushing television for the fifth night in a row. also i want to meet a girl and have sex. it seems to be the only way ?

nightclubs have this eerie pose fest thing going on. i nearly got into a fight not long ago cos i stepped on some guys foot mistakingly whilest actually enjoying the music rather than standing tall, chest out, nobbing my head about like a nob head.

meh.
nabsy
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Posted @ 15.08.2007 - 11:50PM
Member since 18.11.2004
“Ill break in your house like a new pair of trainers.”

saw this in the guardian the other day (monday?) didn't enjoy it at all, he strikes me as one of those people who is ill at ease. if your with pals and the tunes are good there's nowhere better than a club, f**k any of the other punters.
NTM
Saf-am-10
Posted @ 17.09.2007 - 09:14AM
Member since 12.01.2007
“So mercifully free of the pressures of grace”
another spot on comment from Charlie IMHO..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2170877,00.html
DOUGLAS
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Posted @ 17.09.2007 - 12:20PM
Member since
“New pair of shoes are on my feet ”
QUOTE:
before waking up beside you with their hair in a mess, blinking like a dizzy cat and smelling vaguely like a ham baguette? Really, why bother? Why not just stay at home punching yourself in the face?




:funny::funny::funny::funny:
LINZ
???
Posted @ 09.10.2007 - 09:49PM
Member since 07.08.2005
“"They can see your medical records!"”
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DASLER
(no longer a member)
Posted @ 09.10.2007 - 10:14PM
^^^ Hahah, So true though
 
 
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